Yep, water woes. Lets start with the black water system. I noticed while we were in Fredricksburg, Texas that my black water outlet had sewage backed up against the cap. I got a sewage shower when I took the cap off. In a word, YUCK!
So, yesterday I took the blade valve out and noticed that the seals were fine on one side but the other had been pinched and deformed on installation. I did my best to work out the deformity and put the valve back into place. I need a complete new valve or new seals. So, before leaving on the 4th I will purchase one or the other and install them when we get to warmer climes.
Next up is the fresh water tank. We want some water in the tank for quick showers and toilet use when we leave for Florida. The old water was "funky" or as my son said "It tastes like ass." I'm afraid to ask him how he knows that.....
Today I tried to fill the fresh water tank and thought things were goings "swimmingly" until water started to seep out of the floor above my wet bay. I knew that wasn't supposed to happen so I shut the water off and scrambled inside to find water under my bathroom vanity. Again, it's not supposed to do that, right?
In our coach's wet bay there is a valve that you change to use city water or water from the fresh water tank. I switched it counter clockwise as shown to allow the tank to fill, after a few minutes the water came through the floor. I turned off the pump and went inside and then the pump wouldn't prime. A V-8 moment came after reading the directions in our RV's manual (do real men read directions?).
So, I went back out the coach and switched the valve back to the clockwise position LIKE THE MANUAL said to do. Voila! Water came from the faucets.
Now the mysterious part. I ran the water to fill the tank for maybe 10 minutes. I go to the information panel and check the levels and the water tank is almost empty. So, where did the water go?
It's dark outside now and it's cold. But off I will go to inspect the basement bays and see if that's where the water went. Wish me luck.
Monday, November 28, 2016
Thursday, November 24, 2016
First Camp Out In Our New RV - Fredricksburg, Tx.
We departed Fayetteville Saturday evening to be in Rio Vista, Tx. We left the following morning from my brother in laws house and headed to Fredricksburg, Tx. The coach handled pretty well in Texas Hill Country but was a handful in cross winds.
We arrived at Lady Bird Johnson Municipal Park in Fredricksburg about 4:30 in the afternoon and immediately set out for downtown, dinner and a beer (or six). Our campsite is adjacent to the city airfield. The park is old but well cared for, with clean bathrooms and showers. Costs are $40 nightly with full hook ups. If you are a stickler for absolute quite you will find it difficult to stay here. There is a medium sized city airport next to the park and aircraft of all shapes and sizes take off from here at all hours of the day and night. I will qualify this statement by saying that the traffic dies down after 10 pm.
Our RV camping spot in Fredricksburg, Texas
We camped with my brother in law and his girls. The two girls slept in the RV with us and my son Brad and my B.I.L. slept in tents outside. We even had time for a trip to Luckenbach, Tx. to visit Waylon, Willie and the boys.
It was a hopping place. They even had chickens!
On the plus side they did have ice cold beer.
Tuesday, November 22, 2016
First Trip In The Class A - Driving from Alvarado, TX. to Fayetteville, AR.
Well we took possession of our coach and drove away from Alvarado, Tx. on Thursday afternoon the 17th. I left around 3:40 pm in time for monumental traffic jams, extremely narrow chicane type construction diversions, 2.5 hour slow downs due to wrecks and extreme winds in the Lake Eufala area. So, what should have been a 7 hour drive turned into an 10.5 hour drive.
The scariest part was the construction diversions and wind gusting to 50 mph at Lake Eufala from my right side. Down right miserable driving. The coach was doing involuntary lane changes, drifting all over the road and I could not let my guard down for a second. I did seven stops along the way to relax.
When I got home I virtually collapsed in a tired heap.
The scariest part was the construction diversions and wind gusting to 50 mph at Lake Eufala from my right side. Down right miserable driving. The coach was doing involuntary lane changes, drifting all over the road and I could not let my guard down for a second. I did seven stops along the way to relax.
When I got home I virtually collapsed in a tired heap.
Wednesday, November 16, 2016
Obsessing About An Oil Change - Or, The Oil Change Boogie Was Changed To A Waltz With One Phone Call
So, my obsession getting an oil change immediately was unwarranted. Why? Well as I was going through the the library of brochures and technical manuals that came with the coach I discovered two documents that told me who the first and second owners were. On an off chance that the previous owner of my coach wouldn't mind my calling him, I did.
Turns out that both he and his wife really didn't want to sell the coach but only used it three times a year and decided that it was too much coach for that minimal amount of time in use. Instead they consigned it to Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Tx.
During my enjoyable time with him on the phone I learned that the oil was changed less than 8 months ago and the only filters that hadn't been changed were the fuel filters. BINGO! I can delay PM for a few months until I can recover from paying taxes. This was VERY good news but I will have the chassis lubed and the fuel filters installed as a precaution..
Additionally he told me that the Spendide washer/dryer had never been used by the previous owner or by them. So, my concern about that is do I try to winterize the washer/dryer or not? I will have to read more about that. The ad for this coach stated it had new tires. Nobody at the dealership knew how old (even though they changed them????), anyway I asked about them while I had him on the phone. He said "the only miles on the tires are the ones that were put on by demo rides." Another win!
The coach will be ready to pick up tomorrow after the golf cart carnage so I leave Fayetteville at 6:30 am with my best friend who will drive me 480 miles to get the coach and drive back the same day. That is a seriously good friend.
Thanks Jim.
Turns out that both he and his wife really didn't want to sell the coach but only used it three times a year and decided that it was too much coach for that minimal amount of time in use. Instead they consigned it to Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Tx.
During my enjoyable time with him on the phone I learned that the oil was changed less than 8 months ago and the only filters that hadn't been changed were the fuel filters. BINGO! I can delay PM for a few months until I can recover from paying taxes. This was VERY good news but I will have the chassis lubed and the fuel filters installed as a precaution..
Additionally he told me that the Spendide washer/dryer had never been used by the previous owner or by them. So, my concern about that is do I try to winterize the washer/dryer or not? I will have to read more about that. The ad for this coach stated it had new tires. Nobody at the dealership knew how old (even though they changed them????), anyway I asked about them while I had him on the phone. He said "the only miles on the tires are the ones that were put on by demo rides." Another win!
The coach will be ready to pick up tomorrow after the golf cart carnage so I leave Fayetteville at 6:30 am with my best friend who will drive me 480 miles to get the coach and drive back the same day. That is a seriously good friend.
Thanks Jim.
Tuesday, November 15, 2016
Killing Time Until We Can Pick Up The RV
Yesterday I started accumulating (read, finding stuff again) the things we need to put in the coach prior to our 1st trip departure on the 19th. I have made a list and it gets longer each day as does the pile of stuff in our garage on the floor.
It's been a while since we sold our last RV (a travel trailer) so as I stack things up I remember other things that should go in the coach. Some of the stuff will still need to be shuttled back and forth between the house and the coach each time we go some place. I hate that we need to do that but it doesn't make economic sense to purchase all new flatware or all new plates, pots, pans and utensils when we will have all of that available to us from our house in six months.
We are meeting my brother in law and most of his family in Fredricksburg, TX for the Thanksgiving holiday and they are tenting in a tent I am borrowing and using our cots. So, all of that has to accompany us as well.
Oh well, it's good practice.
It's been a while since we sold our last RV (a travel trailer) so as I stack things up I remember other things that should go in the coach. Some of the stuff will still need to be shuttled back and forth between the house and the coach each time we go some place. I hate that we need to do that but it doesn't make economic sense to purchase all new flatware or all new plates, pots, pans and utensils when we will have all of that available to us from our house in six months.
We are meeting my brother in law and most of his family in Fredricksburg, TX for the Thanksgiving holiday and they are tenting in a tent I am borrowing and using our cots. So, all of that has to accompany us as well.
Oh well, it's good practice.
Sunday, November 13, 2016
Waiting For Word - When Will Our RV Be Ready To Pick Up? - Again
I am so frustrated by the accident down in Alvarado. They told us it would take 4-5 days to do the repairs. If we count Friday as one of those days we could get the call to come get the coach by Thursday or Friday.
We really need to get it serviced, packed and ready for the road by the 19th as we are planning on Thanksgiving with family. But first we're headed to Fredricksburg, Texas with my Brother in Law and family. Time is getting short. Wish us luck.
We really need to get it serviced, packed and ready for the road by the 19th as we are planning on Thanksgiving with family. But first we're headed to Fredricksburg, Texas with my Brother in Law and family. Time is getting short. Wish us luck.
Saturday, November 12, 2016
The Oil Change Boogie And Picking Up Our RV Part Deux
Since our coach is used. And since there is an oil change sticker on the drivers side window that says the last oil change was three years ago, I've been scrambling to find a place to service the coach in the Dallas area before I drive back to Arkansas. This sound simple enough right? Not. Nobody has appointments available.
I've posted about this on several RV forums and have been directed several times by to consider using a Speedco Service Center for getting this done.
However, the as I checked out Speedco and called their closest service centers (Oklahoma City and Joplin) I see how they do things. If you bring all of your own filters it's no problem but if you go to their service centers and expect them to have what you need in stock ....well, that's another story.
They only change the filters and fuel filters they have in stock and the associated fluids. If they don't have it, they notify you and you still have part of your service not done. They do give you the option of bringing all the filters and they will install them.
So, what I have done is opted to travel back to Arkansas after checking fluid levels carefully and then get it serviced here. It shouldn't have to be this hard to find a place to service this beast.
On a somewhat brighter note we are due to pick up our RV again, for the second time. Hopefully without golf cart/RV destruction. They said five days for the repairs which would put it ready to pick up on Thursday. We'll see but if it isn't ready we'll have a problem because we are booked for space at the Ladybird Johnson Municipal Park in Fredricksburg, Tx.
I've posted about this on several RV forums and have been directed several times by to consider using a Speedco Service Center for getting this done.
However, the as I checked out Speedco and called their closest service centers (Oklahoma City and Joplin) I see how they do things. If you bring all of your own filters it's no problem but if you go to their service centers and expect them to have what you need in stock ....well, that's another story.
They only change the filters and fuel filters they have in stock and the associated fluids. If they don't have it, they notify you and you still have part of your service not done. They do give you the option of bringing all the filters and they will install them.
So, what I have done is opted to travel back to Arkansas after checking fluid levels carefully and then get it serviced here. It shouldn't have to be this hard to find a place to service this beast.
On a somewhat brighter note we are due to pick up our RV again, for the second time. Hopefully without golf cart/RV destruction. They said five days for the repairs which would put it ready to pick up on Thursday. We'll see but if it isn't ready we'll have a problem because we are booked for space at the Ladybird Johnson Municipal Park in Fredricksburg, Tx.
Friday, November 11, 2016
The Universe Has Spoken
On Thursday morning Martha and I departed for Alvarado, Texas from our home in Fayetteville. All that remained was a close inspection of the RV followed by a test drive and we would sign the dotted line, become once again cash poor and then drive away in our beautiful coach.
After the test drive (I really liked how well the big beast handled) we returned to the dealership. Following the instructions of the sales guy I snaked my way through a rather expansive dealership and given instructions as to where I was to park.
We were positioned adjacent to the dealerships office and the salesman told me to make a right hand turn and park in front of a line of new motor homes. As I committed to making the right I swung out wide to clear a Fiver that was parked on the corner. About that time a guy in a golf cart accelerated in front of me and turned hard right and paralleled us heading toward the rear of our coach. He then proceed to stop hard and sort of jumped off the golf cart as it was coming to a stop.
We were positioned adjacent to the dealerships office and the salesman told me to make a right hand turn and park in front of a line of new motor homes. As I committed to making the right I swung out wide to clear a Fiver that was parked on the corner. About that time a guy in a golf cart accelerated in front of me and turned hard right and paralleled us heading toward the rear of our coach. He then proceed to stop hard and sort of jumped off the golf cart as it was coming to a stop.
Where he parked was exactly in the turning radius of our coach and his golf cart ended up to near the side of our coach resulting in the right rear of the coach striking the golf cart and gouging two storage doors and the wheel cover. It turns out that stopping 28,000 pounds of mass isn't instantaneous.
Since this happened in front of the office the owner of the dealership came out to see what had happened. He simply said "Are you out looking for coaches?" I told him this is the one we're buying.
He never skipped a beat and said "well in that case let me send the coach to our body and paint shop and we will repair everything like new and for your trouble, I will have our cleaning crew detail the outside and inside of your coach free of charge (this was a consignment unit and as such they do not clean them unless the owner wants it done)."
I was very pleased to hear him say that and we decided to go ahead with sale. This results in my making yet another trip to Alvarado to pick up the coach. The Universe has spoken....sheesh.
Wednesday, November 9, 2016
More On Insurance - What I Found Out Today
If you read my post regarding what you need in the way of insurance, then you probably figured out that I was shopping for the right policy. Since we required a loan for our coach we decided to use USAA. They gave us an excellent interest rate so it that part was a no brainer.
The folks at USAA suggested their insurance (Foremost) for the RV so we got a quote from them. We received what we thought to be a very good price on an annual policy and were going to call them tomorrow during the closing to put the policy in force.
Today I decided to stop by our State Farm agent's office and see about a quote from them. I was pretty sure based on their loan interest rates the quote for insurance would be much higher than Foremost. I was floored to find out with all the same coverage's and deductible's State Farm was almost $1000 a year less. No need to look further.
To be fair we have been with State Farm for our entire marriage (working on 26 years) and we have our vehicle, motorcycle and renters insurance with them.
So, what's the moral of the story? Well, I just found out that loyalty pays off.
The folks at USAA suggested their insurance (Foremost) for the RV so we got a quote from them. We received what we thought to be a very good price on an annual policy and were going to call them tomorrow during the closing to put the policy in force.
Today I decided to stop by our State Farm agent's office and see about a quote from them. I was pretty sure based on their loan interest rates the quote for insurance would be much higher than Foremost. I was floored to find out with all the same coverage's and deductible's State Farm was almost $1000 a year less. No need to look further.
To be fair we have been with State Farm for our entire marriage (working on 26 years) and we have our vehicle, motorcycle and renters insurance with them.
So, what's the moral of the story? Well, I just found out that loyalty pays off.
Holding Our Breath - RV Pickup Day Is Tomorrow
We've had so many obstacles and other barriers thrown at us during this search it seems that we've been holding our breath since we settled on the Northern Star two weeks ago.
All the barriers seemed to be removed. The owner of the coach has given final approval, the roof is being resealed today, the loan is approved, we've several insurance quotes to consider and all that remains is to decide what RV insurance carrier we want and then go pick up the Coach tomorrow.
I will post more photos of the coach by the weekend. We intend to camp Sunday and Monday night at nearby Lake Ft. Smith about 40 minutes from here. We want to do a proper "shake down" and enjoy what will become our life after next June.
Wish us luck.
All the barriers seemed to be removed. The owner of the coach has given final approval, the roof is being resealed today, the loan is approved, we've several insurance quotes to consider and all that remains is to decide what RV insurance carrier we want and then go pick up the Coach tomorrow.
I will post more photos of the coach by the weekend. We intend to camp Sunday and Monday night at nearby Lake Ft. Smith about 40 minutes from here. We want to do a proper "shake down" and enjoy what will become our life after next June.
Wish us luck.
Monday, November 7, 2016
Ok, I Think This Is It!
This afternoon I finally got the call I was waiting on. We go to Alvardo, Texas on Thursday to get our coach. Finally!
Still lots to do after we get it home. Today I rented a space at a local storage facility and got it cheap too! Most of the ones we looked at wanted $80 a month. We got this one for $45 a month and it is a very secure facility.
Next up is getting the beast serviced. Since there are few or no maintenance records I think it's prudent get the chassis lubed, oil and all filters changed before going to Florida in December.
Let the fun begin!
Still lots to do after we get it home. Today I rented a space at a local storage facility and got it cheap too! Most of the ones we looked at wanted $80 a month. We got this one for $45 a month and it is a very secure facility.
Next up is getting the beast serviced. Since there are few or no maintenance records I think it's prudent get the chassis lubed, oil and all filters changed before going to Florida in December.
Let the fun begin!
Saturday, November 5, 2016
Just Out Of Curiosity I Would Like To Ask A Question
If you read this blog why aren't you making comments? I meant for this to be interactive and I haven't had one comment. Please, let me know what you think about the blog.
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Instant Gratification Isn't Instant
As most of you know we looked for a long time to find the coach we felt fit us best. We found our dream coach at Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Texas. Once we were sure this was the "one" we put earnest money on the coach to show intent to purchase. The owner was contacted and the offer and our terms were accepted last Wednesday.
So, we set up our closing at Motor Home Specialist's (MHS) this coming Monday the 7th. We are/were very excited to finally nearly at the point where we can drive away in our "new to us" coach.
Well that's not going to happen now, at least on the 7th. We are bummed out to say the least. Why the delay? As radio personality Paul Harvey used to say "And this is the rest of the story."
As I understand it, the coach was consigned to MHS to sell. Shortly before our offer the owners departed for a cruise and were due back to port yesterday the 6th. MHS reached them at sea last Wednesday for the deal offer and they subsequently approved it.
But here is where it gets sticky. The owners of the coach evidently traded for a new coach with MHS and then consigned our coach with them. Since the owners have been at sea it has been difficult to reach them for further correspondence. Making a long story short the owners still owe money on the coach we are purchasing. So, MHS needs to collect the difference from our agreed purchase price and the amount the owners actually owe on the coach. Since they are sea this payment has not been made. The salesman and MHS finance office are both as frustrated as we are.
So, we can do nothing but wait until the owners contact MHS and everything is settled.
Meanwhile at least we don't have to pay for a storage spot. Ugh, feeling frustrated.
So, we set up our closing at Motor Home Specialist's (MHS) this coming Monday the 7th. We are/were very excited to finally nearly at the point where we can drive away in our "new to us" coach.
Well that's not going to happen now, at least on the 7th. We are bummed out to say the least. Why the delay? As radio personality Paul Harvey used to say "And this is the rest of the story."
As I understand it, the coach was consigned to MHS to sell. Shortly before our offer the owners departed for a cruise and were due back to port yesterday the 6th. MHS reached them at sea last Wednesday for the deal offer and they subsequently approved it.
But here is where it gets sticky. The owners of the coach evidently traded for a new coach with MHS and then consigned our coach with them. Since the owners have been at sea it has been difficult to reach them for further correspondence. Making a long story short the owners still owe money on the coach we are purchasing. So, MHS needs to collect the difference from our agreed purchase price and the amount the owners actually owe on the coach. Since they are sea this payment has not been made. The salesman and MHS finance office are both as frustrated as we are.
So, we can do nothing but wait until the owners contact MHS and everything is settled.
Meanwhile at least we don't have to pay for a storage spot. Ugh, feeling frustrated.
Friday, November 4, 2016
Choosing An Insurance Carrier For Your New RV
Which Insurance Carrier Do We Choose?
Your choices are nearly endless. But keep in mind that you will want some kind of Roadside Assistance Coverage alongside your standard coverage. You can do that through your insurance carrier or through clubs like Good Sams.
I think insurance is one of those personal choice issues and I won't pretend to advise you as to which company or coverage's you should choose (plus I am not licensed to advise you). But. you do need need to select from a myriad of options like Bodily Injury Liability, Property Damage Liability, Uninsured and under insured Motorist, Comprehensive coverage, collision, personal property, vacation expense protection, emergency expense, scheduled medical benefits and towing and roadside assistance.
Most of us will wind up with similar coverage to our auto insurance. Some of us will not. You will in any case need insurance. Don't take possession of an RV without it.
Do I need Towing and Roadside Assistance?
In a word, yes. Think flat tire without a spare and no way to fix the tire. Most roadside coverage include the responder bringing a new tire that will fit your rig. Yes, you will need to pay for the tire. But if you are on a lonely road in east BFE and you run out of fuel, you flat a tire or your engine quits you will be glad to have this coverage. Most RV insurance will also have towing included to the nearest Certified RV service center or the nearest engine or chassis facility that works on your particular brand.
What About Comprehensive? Why Would You Need That?
Well lets see? How much is that windshield that a rock or truck lug nut just went through? Think about that. RV windshields are huge and so are their prices. I just read a blog where just one half of their divided windshield caught a rock. That half cost the owner $1200 dollars. Yep, for just one half.
What about this scenario. You are parking at a rv park and head out for the evening. On your return you find that your door was forced open and your laptops, tv's and other valuables have been stolen. Is the insurance worth it now?
Educate Yourself About Coverages - Ask Your Agent Or Would-be Agent Questions
You need to know what the various coverages include, know your budget and pick your deductibles accordingly. As what is included in each type of coverage. After you've done your homework then purchase the policy of your choice.
Your choices are nearly endless. But keep in mind that you will want some kind of Roadside Assistance Coverage alongside your standard coverage. You can do that through your insurance carrier or through clubs like Good Sams.
I think insurance is one of those personal choice issues and I won't pretend to advise you as to which company or coverage's you should choose (plus I am not licensed to advise you). But. you do need need to select from a myriad of options like Bodily Injury Liability, Property Damage Liability, Uninsured and under insured Motorist, Comprehensive coverage, collision, personal property, vacation expense protection, emergency expense, scheduled medical benefits and towing and roadside assistance.
Most of us will wind up with similar coverage to our auto insurance. Some of us will not. You will in any case need insurance. Don't take possession of an RV without it.
Do I need Towing and Roadside Assistance?
In a word, yes. Think flat tire without a spare and no way to fix the tire. Most roadside coverage include the responder bringing a new tire that will fit your rig. Yes, you will need to pay for the tire. But if you are on a lonely road in east BFE and you run out of fuel, you flat a tire or your engine quits you will be glad to have this coverage. Most RV insurance will also have towing included to the nearest Certified RV service center or the nearest engine or chassis facility that works on your particular brand.
What About Comprehensive? Why Would You Need That?
Well lets see? How much is that windshield that a rock or truck lug nut just went through? Think about that. RV windshields are huge and so are their prices. I just read a blog where just one half of their divided windshield caught a rock. That half cost the owner $1200 dollars. Yep, for just one half.
What about this scenario. You are parking at a rv park and head out for the evening. On your return you find that your door was forced open and your laptops, tv's and other valuables have been stolen. Is the insurance worth it now?
Educate Yourself About Coverages - Ask Your Agent Or Would-be Agent Questions
You need to know what the various coverages include, know your budget and pick your deductibles accordingly. As what is included in each type of coverage. After you've done your homework then purchase the policy of your choice.
Getting Back To The Purpose Of This Blog
What A Ride
If you have been with us from the beginning then you know this blog is and will continue to be about our journey from sticks and bricks to actually living in our RV. Up to this point months of research has taken us from considering:
Class B vans
Class C gas coaches
Class A gas coaches
Class A diesel coaches
Are We There Yet?
How'd we get here? Well, it was a trip to be sure. We started with the intent of being very mobile with a Class B. We liked them so we actively traveled around looking at them. We are creatures of comfort at our age and having said that we quickly realized that they were too small for our lifestyle.
Plus for their size they extremely expensive. Used ones ranged in the $70,000 to $85,000 and new ones up to $140,000.
We chewed on that for a while and then got practical about the fact that we probably needed something bigger.
Fit And Finish - Yeah, It's Big Deal - Be Aware While You Search
We have owned a Class C and it fit our lifestyle really well as a weekend and vacation vehicle. These were also considered. The ones were able to find that fit our idea of a well laid out coach had terrible fit and finish so we quickly abandoned the idea of Class C's. Really I think we both knew without saying it out loud that this time we wanted a Class A
Amenities And Horse Power
Now we knew what we needed in a coach to fit our requirements for comfort with the main consideration being a King Bed and if possible zoned living quarters.
Since we were looking at Class A Gas coaches I needed to do homework on what power plant I would consider. Once again our budget kinda pointed me in the right direction. It turns out the most desired gas power plant on gas powered Class A's and Class C's is the Chevy Workhorse chassis with the 8.1 V-10. I was told that these were discontinued in 2006 so our target years would all have that engine.
So, we started searching in earnest for a Class A gas coach. One thing we found about the gas coaches right away was that they were much more affordable both used (within our budget) and new. However, we never quite found the "right" one.
We thought we wanted a Forest River Georgetown primarily for the floor plan that was available. They have sort of a zoned floor plan with living area in the front, dining and kitchen in the middle and bathroom and bedroom in back. This kind of fit us because we take turns being insomniacs and having zones would let each of us be up without disturbing the other. Besides, King beds were available.
Once we physically saw several Georgteown's coaches that we thought fit the budget but once we started viewing them up close and personal. What we found was that fit, finish and durability was sorely lacking. In fact there were down right poorly appointed with cheap everything especially in the quality of coach furniture and cabinets.
This is when we happened on the Gulfstream Sun Voyagers that had similar floor plan arrangement's including King bed options. These looked and felt like a quality coach however, we found out that they must be a very popular unit because in the three months leading to our current purchase we only saw three for sale nationwide. So that idea was scrapped.
Changing Directions
Once again our ideas, likes and need for certain amenities migrated our search to the next tier, Class A diesel coaches. Like everything else on this journey this proved to be a learning experience. Since our targeted budget made it clear that we had to consider coaches from 2003-2005 model years we quickly learned that most of the coaches in this price range were either beat up, used up and not worth the asking price.
On the flip side we saw a few coaches that were really nice but the asking price was inflated beyond NADA High values (excellent condition values). If you are borrowing, this is a scenario that lenders will not lend money on. It took a while to register but most of these coaches (inflated value coaches) were owned by people that just wanted to sell them. The inflated value was most likely what they owed on the coach to just "get out of it."
Snobbish Coach Shopping
After viewing so many mediocre coaches with bad fit, finish and durability we started setting our sights on quality built coaches. This was harder than our other searches because finding a quality coach that we could afford was as my Dad used say "harder than finding a hen with teeth,"
We looked at and considered Tiffin, Newmar, Monaco coaches. These are widely viewed by many RV Associations and clubs to be the best built and most durable of all motor coaches. So, we set out shopping for high end used coaches. Our first trip out we traveled to Springfield, Mo. to view a Tiffin Allegro Red that fit our budget and certainly our concerns about fit and finish. Once there we were underwhelmed. Not because it was an ill kept coach but because neither of us had our "trigger tripped". During this process my wife told me over and over, "when I see the right coach I will know it's the one" (paraphrased). It wasn't the one.
So, we moved on and a week later my wife found the "one" online at Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Texas. And here we are.
Thoughts On What's Next
This entire journey began in June 2016 and we found our coach at the beginning of November 2016. So, yeah it takes a while.
What's next? Well practice camping for sure. We intend to use the coach during Thanksgiving week and we are headed to Florida for the entire month of December.
Of course there is the matter of ditching 25 years of stuff before June 1st of '17 but that is another blog entry.
If you have been with us from the beginning then you know this blog is and will continue to be about our journey from sticks and bricks to actually living in our RV. Up to this point months of research has taken us from considering:
Class B vans
Class C gas coaches
Class A gas coaches
Class A diesel coaches
Are We There Yet?
How'd we get here? Well, it was a trip to be sure. We started with the intent of being very mobile with a Class B. We liked them so we actively traveled around looking at them. We are creatures of comfort at our age and having said that we quickly realized that they were too small for our lifestyle.
Plus for their size they extremely expensive. Used ones ranged in the $70,000 to $85,000 and new ones up to $140,000.
We chewed on that for a while and then got practical about the fact that we probably needed something bigger.
Fit And Finish - Yeah, It's Big Deal - Be Aware While You Search
We have owned a Class C and it fit our lifestyle really well as a weekend and vacation vehicle. These were also considered. The ones were able to find that fit our idea of a well laid out coach had terrible fit and finish so we quickly abandoned the idea of Class C's. Really I think we both knew without saying it out loud that this time we wanted a Class A
Amenities And Horse Power
Now we knew what we needed in a coach to fit our requirements for comfort with the main consideration being a King Bed and if possible zoned living quarters.
Since we were looking at Class A Gas coaches I needed to do homework on what power plant I would consider. Once again our budget kinda pointed me in the right direction. It turns out the most desired gas power plant on gas powered Class A's and Class C's is the Chevy Workhorse chassis with the 8.1 V-10. I was told that these were discontinued in 2006 so our target years would all have that engine.
So, we started searching in earnest for a Class A gas coach. One thing we found about the gas coaches right away was that they were much more affordable both used (within our budget) and new. However, we never quite found the "right" one.
We thought we wanted a Forest River Georgetown primarily for the floor plan that was available. They have sort of a zoned floor plan with living area in the front, dining and kitchen in the middle and bathroom and bedroom in back. This kind of fit us because we take turns being insomniacs and having zones would let each of us be up without disturbing the other. Besides, King beds were available.
Once we physically saw several Georgteown's coaches that we thought fit the budget but once we started viewing them up close and personal. What we found was that fit, finish and durability was sorely lacking. In fact there were down right poorly appointed with cheap everything especially in the quality of coach furniture and cabinets.
This is when we happened on the Gulfstream Sun Voyagers that had similar floor plan arrangement's including King bed options. These looked and felt like a quality coach however, we found out that they must be a very popular unit because in the three months leading to our current purchase we only saw three for sale nationwide. So that idea was scrapped.
Changing Directions
Once again our ideas, likes and need for certain amenities migrated our search to the next tier, Class A diesel coaches. Like everything else on this journey this proved to be a learning experience. Since our targeted budget made it clear that we had to consider coaches from 2003-2005 model years we quickly learned that most of the coaches in this price range were either beat up, used up and not worth the asking price.
On the flip side we saw a few coaches that were really nice but the asking price was inflated beyond NADA High values (excellent condition values). If you are borrowing, this is a scenario that lenders will not lend money on. It took a while to register but most of these coaches (inflated value coaches) were owned by people that just wanted to sell them. The inflated value was most likely what they owed on the coach to just "get out of it."
Snobbish Coach Shopping
After viewing so many mediocre coaches with bad fit, finish and durability we started setting our sights on quality built coaches. This was harder than our other searches because finding a quality coach that we could afford was as my Dad used say "harder than finding a hen with teeth,"
We looked at and considered Tiffin, Newmar, Monaco coaches. These are widely viewed by many RV Associations and clubs to be the best built and most durable of all motor coaches. So, we set out shopping for high end used coaches. Our first trip out we traveled to Springfield, Mo. to view a Tiffin Allegro Red that fit our budget and certainly our concerns about fit and finish. Once there we were underwhelmed. Not because it was an ill kept coach but because neither of us had our "trigger tripped". During this process my wife told me over and over, "when I see the right coach I will know it's the one" (paraphrased). It wasn't the one.
So, we moved on and a week later my wife found the "one" online at Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Texas. And here we are.
Thoughts On What's Next
This entire journey began in June 2016 and we found our coach at the beginning of November 2016. So, yeah it takes a while.
What's next? Well practice camping for sure. We intend to use the coach during Thanksgiving week and we are headed to Florida for the entire month of December.
Of course there is the matter of ditching 25 years of stuff before June 1st of '17 but that is another blog entry.
Getting Back To The Purpose Of This Blog
What A Ride
If you have been with us from the beginning then you know this blog is and will continue to be about our journey from sticks and bricks to actually living in our RV. Up to this point months of research has taken us from considering:
Class B vans
Class C gas coaches
Class A gas coaches
Class A diesel coaches
Are We There Yet?
How'd we get here? Well, it was a trip to be sure. We started with the intent of being very mobile with a Class B. We liked them so we actively traveled around looking at them. We are creatures of comfort at our age and having said that we quickly realized that they were too small for our lifestyle.
Plus for their size they extremely expensive. Used ones ranged in the $70,000 to $85,000 and new ones up to $140,000.
We chewed on that for a while and then got practical about the fact that we probably needed something bigger.
Fit And Finish - Yeah, It's Big Deal - Be Aware While You Search
We have owned a Class C and it fit our lifestyle really well as a weekend and vacation vehicle. These were also considered. The ones were able to find that fit our idea of a well laid out coach had terrible fit and finish so we quickly abandoned the idea of Class C's. Really I think we both knew without saying it out loud that this time we wanted a Class A
Amenities And Horse Power
Now we knew what we needed in a coach to fit our requirements for comfort with the main consideration being a King Bed and if possible zoned living quarters.
Since we were looking at Class A Gas coaches I needed to do homework on what power plant I would consider. Once again our budget kinda pointed me in the right direction. It turns out the most desired gas power plant on gas powered Class A's and Class C's is the Chevy Workhorse chassis with the 8.1 V-10. I was told that these were discontinued in 2006 so our target years would all have that engine.
So, we started searching in earnest for a Class A gas coach. One thing we found about the gas coaches right away was that they were much more affordable both used (within our budget) and new. However, we never quite found the "right" one.
We thought we wanted a Forest River Georgetown primarily for the floor plan that was available. They have sort of a zoned floor plan with living area in the front, dining and kitchen in the middle and bathroom and bedroom in back. This kind of fit us because we take turns being insomniacs and having zones would let each of us be up without disturbing the other. Besides, King beds were available.
Once we physically saw several Georgteown's coaches that we thought fit the budget but once we started viewing them up close and personal. What we found was that fit, finish and durability was sorely lacking. In fact there were down right poorly appointed with cheap everything especially in the quality of coach furniture and cabinets.
This is when we happened on the Gulfstream Sun Voyagers that had similar floor plan arrangement's including King bed options. These looked and felt like a quality coach however, we found out that they must be a very popular unit because in the three months leading to our current purchase we only saw three for sale nationwide. So that idea was scrapped.
Changing Directions
Once again our ideas, likes and need for certain amenities migrated our search to the next tier, Class A diesel coaches. Like everything else on this journey this proved to be a learning experience. Since our targeted budget made it clear that we had to consider coaches from 2003-2005 model years we quickly learned that most of the coaches in this price range were either beat up, used up and not worth the asking price.
On the flip side we saw a few coaches that were really nice but the asking price was inflated beyond NADA High values (excellent condition values). If you are borrowing, this is a scenario that lenders will not lend money on. It took a while to register but most of these coaches (inflated value coaches) were owned by people that just wanted to sell them. The inflated value was most likely what they owed on the coach to just "get out of it."
Snobbish Coach Shopping
After viewing so many mediocre coaches with bad fit, finish and durability we started setting our sights on quality built coaches. This was harder than our other searches because finding a quality coach that we could afford was as my Dad used say "harder than finding a hen with teeth,"
We looked at and considered Tiffin, Newmar, Monaco coaches. These are widely viewed by many RV Associations and clubs to be the best built and most durable of all motor coaches. So, we set out shopping for high end used coaches. Our first trip out we traveled to Springfield, Mo. to view a Tiffin Allegro Red that fit our budget and certainly our concerns about fit and finish. Once there we were underwhelmed. Not because it was an ill kept coach but because neither of us had our "trigger tripped". During this process my wife told me over and over, "when I see the right coach I will know it's the one" (paraphrased). It wasn't the one.
So, we moved on and a week later my wife found the "one" online at Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Texas. And here we are.
Thoughts On What's Next
This entire journey began in June 2016 and we found our coach at the beginning of November 2016. So, yeah it takes a while.
What's next? Well practice camping for sure. We intend to use the coach during Thanksgiving week and we are headed to Florida for the entire month of December.
Of course there is the matter of ditching 25 years of stuff before June 1st of '17 but that is another blog entry.
If you have been with us from the beginning then you know this blog is and will continue to be about our journey from sticks and bricks to actually living in our RV. Up to this point months of research has taken us from considering:
Class B vans
Class C gas coaches
Class A gas coaches
Class A diesel coaches
Are We There Yet?
How'd we get here? Well, it was a trip to be sure. We started with the intent of being very mobile with a Class B. We liked them so we actively traveled around looking at them. We are creatures of comfort at our age and having said that we quickly realized that they were too small for our lifestyle.
Plus for their size they extremely expensive. Used ones ranged in the $70,000 to $85,000 and new ones up to $140,000.
We chewed on that for a while and then got practical about the fact that we probably needed something bigger.
Fit And Finish - Yeah, It's Big Deal - Be Aware While You Search
We have owned a Class C and it fit our lifestyle really well as a weekend and vacation vehicle. These were also considered. The ones were able to find that fit our idea of a well laid out coach had terrible fit and finish so we quickly abandoned the idea of Class C's. Really I think we both knew without saying it out loud that this time we wanted a Class A
Amenities And Horse Power
Now we knew what we needed in a coach to fit our requirements for comfort with the main consideration being a King Bed and if possible zoned living quarters.
Since we were looking at Class A Gas coaches I needed to do homework on what power plant I would consider. Once again our budget kinda pointed me in the right direction. It turns out the most desired gas power plant on gas powered Class A's and Class C's is the Chevy Workhorse chassis with the 8.1 V-10. I was told that these were discontinued in 2006 so our target years would all have that engine.
So, we started searching in earnest for a Class A gas coach. One thing we found about the gas coaches right away was that they were much more affordable both used (within our budget) and new. However, we never quite found the "right" one.
We thought we wanted a Forest River Georgetown primarily for the floor plan that was available. They have sort of a zoned floor plan with living area in the front, dining and kitchen in the middle and bathroom and bedroom in back. This kind of fit us because we take turns being insomniacs and having zones would let each of us be up without disturbing the other. Besides, King beds were available.
Once we physically saw several Georgteown's coaches that we thought fit the budget but once we started viewing them up close and personal. What we found was that fit, finish and durability was sorely lacking. In fact there were down right poorly appointed with cheap everything especially in the quality of coach furniture and cabinets.
This is when we happened on the Gulfstream Sun Voyagers that had similar floor plan arrangement's including King bed options. These looked and felt like a quality coach however, we found out that they must be a very popular unit because in the three months leading to our current purchase we only saw three for sale nationwide. So that idea was scrapped.
Changing Directions
Once again our ideas, likes and need for certain amenities migrated our search to the next tier, Class A diesel coaches. Like everything else on this journey this proved to be a learning experience. Since our targeted budget made it clear that we had to consider coaches from 2003-2005 model years we quickly learned that most of the coaches in this price range were either beat up, used up and not worth the asking price.
On the flip side we saw a few coaches that were really nice but the asking price was inflated beyond NADA High values (excellent condition values). If you are borrowing, this is a scenario that lenders will not lend money on. It took a while to register but most of these coaches (inflated value coaches) were owned by people that just wanted to sell them. The inflated value was most likely what they owed on the coach to just "get out of it."
Snobbish Coach Shopping
After viewing so many mediocre coaches with bad fit, finish and durability we started setting our sights on quality built coaches. This was harder than our other searches because finding a quality coach that we could afford was as my Dad used say "harder than finding a hen with teeth,"
We looked at and considered Tiffin, Newmar, Monaco coaches. These are widely viewed by many RV Associations and clubs to be the best built and most durable of all motor coaches. So, we set out shopping for high end used coaches. Our first trip out we traveled to Springfield, Mo. to view a Tiffin Allegro Red that fit our budget and certainly our concerns about fit and finish. Once there we were underwhelmed. Not because it was an ill kept coach but because neither of us had our "trigger tripped". During this process my wife told me over and over, "when I see the right coach I will know it's the one" (paraphrased). It wasn't the one.
So, we moved on and a week later my wife found the "one" online at Motor Home Specialists in Alvarado, Texas. And here we are.
Thoughts On What's Next
This entire journey began in June 2016 and we found our coach at the beginning of November 2016. So, yeah it takes a while.
What's next? Well practice camping for sure. We intend to use the coach during Thanksgiving week and we are headed to Florida for the entire month of December.
Of course there is the matter of ditching 25 years of stuff before June 1st of '17 but that is another blog entry.
Tuesday, November 1, 2016
It's Official - We Are Now Owners Of A New To Us 2005 Newmar Northern Star
After months of searching we have decided on what coach, made our offer, the previous owner agreed, we completed our loan application, were approved for the loan, lined up our RV insurance and will travel to Alvarado, Texas and Motor Home Specialists (the dealer) on Monday next to become the owners of our "new to us" Newmar Northern Star. We will own a 2005 Newmar Northern Star next Monday.
It is a relief to have the research, search, decision on what manufacturer, model and year coach we wanted finally done. Next on the list is to bring home the coach from Alvarado, Texas, and get it back to Fayetteville, Arkansas where we will rent a slot at a nearby storage facility.
Our plan is to use MHS's own customer campground for our first night in the coach. There we will familiarize ourselves with the various operations of the coach and be within reach of the service departement should we need to ask questions. Tuesday we will motor home.
We've decided to give the coach a deep cleaning, do any maintenance or repairs that are required and consider what else we need to do before departing for parts unknown during Thanksgiving.
Our next outing will be for the entire month of December, starting by spending two weeks at Ft. Pickens State Park on Santa Rosa Island and Pensacola Beach Florida. The next two weeks is still up in the air but now we will pursue finding another temporary home in Florida for the last two weeks of December.
So, this is our new money pit! Isn't she beautiful?
It is a relief to have the research, search, decision on what manufacturer, model and year coach we wanted finally done. Next on the list is to bring home the coach from Alvarado, Texas, and get it back to Fayetteville, Arkansas where we will rent a slot at a nearby storage facility.
Our plan is to use MHS's own customer campground for our first night in the coach. There we will familiarize ourselves with the various operations of the coach and be within reach of the service departement should we need to ask questions. Tuesday we will motor home.
We've decided to give the coach a deep cleaning, do any maintenance or repairs that are required and consider what else we need to do before departing for parts unknown during Thanksgiving.
Our next outing will be for the entire month of December, starting by spending two weeks at Ft. Pickens State Park on Santa Rosa Island and Pensacola Beach Florida. The next two weeks is still up in the air but now we will pursue finding another temporary home in Florida for the last two weeks of December.
So, this is our new money pit! Isn't she beautiful?
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